Talk:Great Ape
Contradictions
I watched most of the special and behind the scenes after buying a copy of Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire and they referred the Great Apes as Kong's Species opposed to what Jared Krichevsky said. So do we go with Tweet or behind the scenes word? Nelspeedracer (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest you show us exactly what is said in order to give us an idea.Titanus Kaiju Fan (talk) 14:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would screen shot it but whenever I do it when playing the bonus features just leave a blank screen. Some kind of Anti-Screenshot mechanize here but I can sqy which bonus feature is it though. Which is "Kong's Journey: From Lonely God to King". I think Ilene Andrews' actress referred them as other Kongs. And Adam Wingard when mentioning "Kong's story which he’s about to discover there's others of his kind". I think the one about making of Skar King titled "Skar King: The Anti-Kong" as also referred them as Kongs or referred them as Kong's species in some way. Again unable to screenshot them but can tell you where to find them. Nelspeedracer (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- If it happens that there is a contradiction, then my suggestion is to address it in a note.Titanus Kaiju Fan (talk) 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok noted Nelspeedracer (talk) 18:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I finally got screenshots as proof. They're from "Kong's Journey: From Lonely God to King" btw. Nelspeedracer (talk) 20:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok noted Nelspeedracer (talk) 18:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- If it happens that there is a contradiction, then my suggestion is to address it in a note.Titanus Kaiju Fan (talk) 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would screen shot it but whenever I do it when playing the bonus features just leave a blank screen. Some kind of Anti-Screenshot mechanize here but I can sqy which bonus feature is it though. Which is "Kong's Journey: From Lonely God to King". I think Ilene Andrews' actress referred them as other Kongs. And Adam Wingard when mentioning "Kong's story which he’s about to discover there's others of his kind". I think the one about making of Skar King titled "Skar King: The Anti-Kong" as also referred them as Kongs or referred them as Kong's species in some way. Again unable to screenshot them but can tell you where to find them. Nelspeedracer (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Other Kongs" doesn’t necessarily mean they belong to the same species, as "Kong" can be used as a generic term to refer to any giant ape such as Kong himself. Furthermore, at the beginning of the movie, Ilene Andrews outright says that Kong is the last of his kind, and the apes themselves have visual differences that set them apart from Kong and his kind, such as the Skar King, Suko, One-Eye, and other apes being more chimpanzee-like than gorilla-like and having fur colors varying from orange to brown or gray. Furthermore, if the apes belonged to the same species as Kong, the characters would have logically remarked so.Titanus Kaiju Fan (talk) 22:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ilene Andrews didn’t know about the Great Apes until latter on so it doesn’t prove he is only one left. Some of the visual differences were explained in features as their fur was dyed in orange (except for Skar King) and red marks meant to symbolize status in hierarchy. Plus Adam Wingard even referred them as Kongs, other of Kong's kind and dropped hints as he said some of worker apes look closer to Kong than other Great Apes giving as he hinted they are it yet say isn’t it is like saying Dagon isn’t a member of Godzilla's species here. Let me get ANOTHER screenshot here in a bit. Nelspeedracer (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Kaylee Hottle saying Suko is "like a smaller Kong" isn't all that compelling, not least because actors aren't an authority on the canon. That applies to Rebecca Hall too, though her phrasing is more exact. However, if the last two are from Wingard, that's hard to argue against, especially with the theater program also saying they're the "same species/kind" as Kong. If Krichevsky is all we have in the other direction, the case isn't looking strong. I will say though, Dagon is a bad comparison, because we actually don't know if he's a Godzilla; Aftershock is weirdly insistent on only calling him "Godzilla-like." --Les (main | talk) 22:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok maybe the Dagon comparison wasn’t the best analogy but yes Adam Wingard said it and I checked the captions too make certain and said it he said it so unless he states latter on that he change his mind and change it here I think we got an solid answer. I think some other people who worked on it like visual art and other who worked on also referred them as Kongs or others like Kong. My theory is it is one of those things left to the viewer to decide here. Nelspeedracer (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- We still don't really have a solid answer, as Wingard did not directly refer to them as being the same kind of ape as Kong. Why take Adam's statement in consideration but disregard Jared's?Titanus Kaiju Fan (talk) 23:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok maybe the Dagon comparison wasn’t the best analogy but yes Adam Wingard said it and I checked the captions too make certain and said it he said it so unless he states latter on that he change his mind and change it here I think we got an solid answer. I think some other people who worked on it like visual art and other who worked on also referred them as Kongs or others like Kong. My theory is it is one of those things left to the viewer to decide here. Nelspeedracer (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Kaylee Hottle saying Suko is "like a smaller Kong" isn't all that compelling, not least because actors aren't an authority on the canon. That applies to Rebecca Hall too, though her phrasing is more exact. However, if the last two are from Wingard, that's hard to argue against, especially with the theater program also saying they're the "same species/kind" as Kong. If Krichevsky is all we have in the other direction, the case isn't looking strong. I will say though, Dagon is a bad comparison, because we actually don't know if he's a Godzilla; Aftershock is weirdly insistent on only calling him "Godzilla-like." --Les (main | talk) 22:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ilene Andrews didn’t know about the Great Apes until latter on so it doesn’t prove he is only one left. Some of the visual differences were explained in features as their fur was dyed in orange (except for Skar King) and red marks meant to symbolize status in hierarchy. Plus Adam Wingard even referred them as Kongs, other of Kong's kind and dropped hints as he said some of worker apes look closer to Kong than other Great Apes giving as he hinted they are it yet say isn’t it is like saying Dagon isn’t a member of Godzilla's species here. Let me get ANOTHER screenshot here in a bit. Nelspeedracer (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Other Kongs" doesn’t necessarily mean they belong to the same species, as "Kong" can be used as a generic term to refer to any giant ape such as Kong himself. Furthermore, at the beginning of the movie, Ilene Andrews outright says that Kong is the last of his kind, and the apes themselves have visual differences that set them apart from Kong and his kind, such as the Skar King, Suko, One-Eye, and other apes being more chimpanzee-like than gorilla-like and having fur colors varying from orange to brown or gray. Furthermore, if the apes belonged to the same species as Kong, the characters would have logically remarked so.Titanus Kaiju Fan (talk) 22:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Other Feateruate info
Other hopefully less heating stuff I got from the featurates include: most of the Great Apes had their fur colored orange only Skar King seemly only named one to be orange naturally, the paint on their faces symbolize an hierarchy of sorts with guards having most and workers having the least here and they looso hair within age showing their muscles. Nelspeedracer (talk) 23:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Novel things
I found my copy of the GxK novel and started rereading it, specifically the Great Ape portions to finish their individual pages. While reading, I noticed two major things that I was unsure about putting into the pages immediately, since the wording is somewhat vague, and I wanted confirmation.
1: Stone Fist and Catcher might have their names confused. The novel gives a lot of focus on Kong's killing of the Great Ape currently labelled Catcher, while focusing little on Stone Fist. On page 126, after Kong kills "Catcher", "[he] turned back to the others. He didn't see the small one or the other red stripe at all." In the movie, we see this ape's body, but Suko's thoughts a few pages later say Kong killed Stone Fist and drove Catcher and One-Eye away. One-Eye survived, of course, but I wouldn't consider being kicked off a cliff to be being "driven away," and combined with Kong not seeing "Stone Fist" after killing "Catcher" I think we might have their names swapped.
2: The Skar King might have taken more apes with him to destroy the Monarch outpost. The novel only mentions him, Suko, One-Eye, Stone Fist, and Catcher by name, but page 141 says "The Skar King called together all of the red-stripes... he made it known that they were to prepare for a hunt." The next few pages don't describe the troop with any specific numbers, but page 143 has the Skar King spread all the apes into a big contracting circle, which is a bit hard to do with just four. The Skar King doesn't seem like the kind of individual to want to return back to his lair unguarded either, which he would be if he only brought the mentioned apes with him.
- Minor bump -Tibiofibula (talk) 6:26 PM, 16 April 2025 (EST)
